Tom Gaumer
How badly did Wyatt understand brands?
Mon Aug 15, 12:41

Wyatt says he and his brothers and Wells Fargos Williams were at a the McLaury"s ranch with some soldiers looking for U.S. cavalry mules. They met Frank Patterson there. This involved 6 mules only.

Wyatt said a special branding iron was there that was specially made to make US into D8 in one burn. Most rustlers knew to use a running iron because it would do a cleaner job and making a complete branding iron for only 6 mules would be a waste of time and guarantee a blurred brand.

Also US mules would have a second brand on them. The US would be on the right side of the mule near his front shoulder. Another brand would be on the left side near his rear shoulder naming the military unit that owned him.

This being true how could Wyatt think changing just one brand would hide the true ownership of the mule?



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Tom


    • Makes no difference, TomBob Cash, Tue Aug 16 7:46
      Whether Wyatt knew a running iron from a clothing iron makes no difference. The fact is that the U.S. brand had been altered to D8 and this was witnessed by Lt. Hurst. Since the second brand was never... more
      • Re: Makes no difference, TomWayne Sanderson, Mon Aug 22 22:09
        As the animals Hurst was looking for were mules, if they were pack mules they would have been assigned to the Quartermaster Department, not any specific regiment. If there was a second brand besides the... more
        • Wayne/ oddly enough?Joyce A. Aros, Tue Aug 23 9:14
          Pack mules would be marked as you say, Quartermaster Dept., and some mules were used for working the rugged mountainsides of the Huachucas and Dragoons. Fort Kearny was just Camp Kearny at the time, not... more
      • Makes no differance,Tom....Joyce A. Aros, Fri Aug 19 19:22
        ...Bob, just wanted to make a note on your response to Tom, something that registered late as often happens with me. There is no reason to believe Hurst saw the changed brand on the mules as it is... more
      • Sure it does BobTom Gaumer, Wed Aug 17 12:21
        Bob Your "perhaps the reason they were stolen" is just speculation and Wyatt needs all that he can get. The fact one brand had been altered to D8 and the other brand was not mentioned is more likely... more
        • Re: Sure it does BobBob Cash, Sat Aug 20 7:00
          Tom and Joyce, without realizing it, y'all are kicking me while I'm down. My central air conditioning went down and the entire system needs to replaced so we are roughing it in a hotel currently and I... more
          • I can only imagine...Joyce A. Aros, Sat Aug 20 8:06
            ...how miserable you and the family must feel. Be assured that we are most sympathetic. Aside from the inconvenience and discomfort I am sure the additional layout of financial stress is almost unbearable;... more
            • Re: I can only imagine...Bob Cash, Sat Aug 20 12:57
              Dn't despair, Joyce. I went to the house today and brought Casey's ad Bossenecker's books back with me and those should give me plenty of ammunition latr this weekend.
              • Bob/ glad to hear it...Joyce A. Aros, Sat Aug 20 14:02
                ...'cause you are goin' to need them! I will try to catch up on my sleep.
    • your manusriptbruce frey, Mon Aug 15 12:52
      can you post the manuscript that mentions the Earps in Tombstone and there connection with the Chinese population? hope your doing well
      • Joyce found the existence of the manuscriptTom Gaumer, Thu Aug 18 1:27
        bruce I just went and got it from Arizona Historical Society. Basically, as you will see, he says the Chinamen were good pickings for gamblers as there were a lot of them and they liked to gamble.... more
      • I don't know how to post a manuscriptTom Gaumer, Tue Aug 16 15:57
        bruce but I sent you a copy this afternoon from the information you gave Garth. Hopefully you can post it Keep Laughing Tom
      • Re: your manusriptTom Gaumer, Mon Aug 15 17:33
        Hello Bruce I don"t know about such a manuscript except one I just came into contact with. It is 9 pages long and mostly about other things. I could type up the part about chinese and the Earrps if... more
        • Re: Re: your manusriptBob Cash, Tue Aug 16 8:04
          Tom, what do you think about Lt. Hurst not knowing there were two brands, which is implied by your question?
          • I didn't know I had implied anything about HurstTom Gaumer, Tue Aug 16 16:07
            Bob I thought I was implying an ignorance by Wyatt. He is the source of the idea that one brand would cover the identity and source of the ownership of the mules and it would be created for a giant... more
        • earpbruce frey, Mon Aug 15 18:30
          he would of had to be familiar with cattle rustling practices if he was any kind of lawman? I'm interested in what the manuscript has to say about Doc!!
          • Turns out...Joyce A. Aros, Mon Aug 15 19:52
            ...Wyatt Earp knew absolutely nothing about rustling practices and so he, apparently, was not much of a lawman after all! Let's not forget he was essentially...a city boy. Didn't know a branding... more
            • Re: Turns out...Bob Cash, Tue Aug 16 9:10
              While it is probable that Wyatt didn't know the finer points of a massive criminal rustling operation like your heroes the Cowboys,nothing in Wyatt's testimony infers he didn't know a branding iron from... more
              • Turning back again...Joyce A. Aros, Wed Aug 17 10:25
                ...What the heck is the support for a statement like "massive criminal rustling?" We are talking about six mules! ...There is almost NO chance those guys had a government branding iron available.... more
                • By the way...Joyce A. Aros, Wed Aug 17 10:56
                  ...just to keep me honest, the mule brands info came from Fort Huachuca years ago. Some nice people there did some research for me which was really worth-while. Just a clarification. Other than that... more