BJ’s Tombstone History Discussion Forum

Thanks Bob

So it came from Lake and we don’t know who he may have got that story from. In any case, is not an officer permitted to take a statement from, or testify in regard to conversation with a person who is intoxicated? I would think a charge of murder would have to be acted on.

In view of the timeline, I am not convinced why Behan would have any particular enmity towards Doc. And would be prepared to stick his neck out so far if he had nothing but drunken talk. Milt Joyce of course certainly had a reason.

I’m green on all this now, but I remember thinking there was something unusual about the way the State and federal charges panned out. Also that Stilwell took the original charge forward, and then represented Kate in the charge against her. It looked like the Earps had used their persuasive powers.

Pete L

To Two Petes — Bob Cash, Wed Jul 14 12:06
Lake does say that "Doc's enemies" induced Kate to the affidavit, but further down the page there's this: "At the hearing, Kate disappointed Johnny Behan woefully. She had signed some paper, she said ... more
- Kate's allegiance... — Joyce Aros, Sat Jul 24 11:00
  ...One has to wonder what happened between Doc and Kate at the time to cause her to go drinking with 'Doc's enemies' such as Johnny Behan. Isn't it unlikely she was on such friendly terms with Behan t... more
- - Re: Kate's allegiance... — Angel, Sun Jul 25 17:23
    Joyce, just my idea here… I don’t have provenance to prove it…. BUT I have a feeling that Kate thought this action might have been her chance to separate Doc and Wyatt. I really do believe she had... more
  - - Angel/t hank you... — Joyce Aros, Sun Jul 25 17:49
      ...I think your supposition sounds pretty reasonable and there has been talk she didn't like the Earps. But I am thinking she had to have a lot of confidence Doc wouldn't retaliate in some wa... more
    - - “Love is a kind of warfare” Ovid (nm) — B.J., Sun Jul 25 18:49
      - Ovid and his disappointments... — Joyce Aros, Mon Jul 26 5:38
        ...perhaps the brilliant man didn't understand the word 'compromise.' It can be very effective.
        
        The "great man" was a strategist who "married well" — gobs, Tue Jul 27 2:01
        Joyce ... hope you're doing well ... British historian David Dutton wrote ... “Chamberlain made mistakes in the 1930s ... he clung too long to the hope of averting war, but it is doubtful if ... more
        
        Excellent Gobs, most people missed Chamberlain's end game... — B.J., Tue Jul 27 6:05
        Neville Chamberlain was heavily criticized especially by the British print media. He was well aware that Hitler could not be trusted to keep an agreement. His endgame as you correctly pointed out was ... more
        
        fascinating depth... — Joyce Aros, Tue Jul 27 5:09
        ...and today we have the Anglo/American world power with a base of mud and metal. Not much to look forward to. Joyce
        
        How did compromise work for Neville Chamberlain with Hitler? (nm) — B.J., Mon Jul 26 20:24
        
        BJ/ compromise... — Joyce Aros, Tue Jul 27 4:49
        ...I guess it only works in a marriage; the basis is love. Not much love in Hitler's heart. You guys are branching into intriguing subjects. The world today might still lead us down the same path!... more
        
        The world today might still lead us down the same path!.... — B.J., Tue Jul 27 6:19
        Joyce, what you correctly pointed out is exactly why JFK as President included Historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr.to a Cabinet Level position in his administration. President Kennedy during his earlier g... more
- Thanks Bob. Appreciate the added info (nm) — Peter Brand, Wed Jul 14 16:35
- Re: To Two Petes — Peter Love, Wed Jul 14 15:56
- - I meant Spicer — Peter Love, Wed Jul 14 21:16
    Surprisingly nobody picked me up on that
  - - Re: I meant Spicer — Bob Cash, Sat Jul 17 8:46
      We knew what you meant, Peter.

Dance houses in Tombstone — Peter Brand, Tue Jul 13 17:47
Women could drink and attract friends or customers at dance houses in Tombstone. One such low dance house on 6th street paid a nightly fee of $2.50 to the city in order to operate. There were, theref... more
- Prostitutes and drinking — Peter Brand, Tue Jul 13 20:35
  Most, if not all, prostitutes were heavy drinkers and/or drug users. I have lost count of the number of gamblers and their prostitute partners who came to blows while under the influence. Suicides wer... more
- Dance houses, ect... — Joyce Aros, Tue Jul 13 18:26
  ...Peter, I recognize there were such 'dance palaces' for the purpose of prostitution and so on but I thought they were locations the menfolk would approach when they wished to. All the photos I have ... more
- - Re: Dance houses, ect... — Bob Cash, Wed Jul 14 17:17
    I don't think we have enough hard evidence to say Behan did ply Kate with liquor to get her to tell what she knew of Doc's actions on the day of the attempted robberies and murder, but I wouldn't see ... more
  - - Evidence under the influence?... — Joyce Aros, Thu Jul 15 5:34
      ...the question comes up as to whether Kate's information could be absorbed into the legal system if it was from an 'under the influence' condition. I realize rules were shaky in the developing fronti... more
  - - Thanks Bob — Peter Love, Wed Jul 14 21:32
      I didn’t see this one. Yep, that’s what I was thinking. Pete

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