Re: Re: Who Cares?
Thu Jul 01, 19:01

So how do you explain his poor judgement at Cold Harbor?

    • Re: Who Cares?Dan Brown, Thu Jul 01 6:25
      Custer could read a battleground. His tactics at the LBH were forged by the Indian wars. Native Americans were raiders and would strike by surprise and then disperse. As Gary Roberts points out, what... more
      • Re: Re: Who Cares? — B.J., Thu Jul 01 19:01
        • Custer's "First Last Stand"Gary Roberts, Sat Jul 03 16:00
          I'm no expert on Custer's Civil War career, so most of my response will be based on T. J. Stiles' Pulitzer Prize winning biography, CUSTER'S TRIALS (2015). The criticism of Custer focuses primarily on... more
          • Re: Custer's "First Last Stand"Dan Brown, Sat Jul 03 19:05
            Generals Sheridan and Hampton mirrored each other's plan. Sheridan sent troops on the diversionary assault on the railway, and Hampton realizes this. While Sheridan moves first, Hampton is able to tak... more
            • Good points, DanGary Roberts, Sun Jul 04 13:04
              Stiles says that it is ironic that Custer is criticized most for the thing he did best. Other aspects of his life--and ambitions--were a mess, and your point about his meteoric rise robbing him of gro... more
              • Happy 4th Indeed!Dan Brown, Sun Jul 04 18:59
                I regret giving my copy of the Stiles away. It gave, I think, a more complete picture of the man. He was actually something of a crackpot. Your interpretation of how he approached the village at LBH ... more
                • It’s very ironic and accurate how Custer had contempt for the men under his command whom deserted or went AWOL. Custer would send his best scouts to track down, capture and return these “disgusting” s... more
                  • Custer was certainly a mixed bag. The Stile biography is revelatory as it focuses on the non-glorious aspects of the boy general's life, which included awol, get rich schemes, pandering to the affluen... more
                    • Custer won a lot of battles while personally not catching a Rebel bullet. However a great commander is also evaluated on winning battles while minimizing casualties ( deaths + injuries knocking sol... more
                      • Well...Dan Brown, Mon Jul 12 16:40
                        When it comes to casualties, it's unlikely that Custer had the most. Both sides produced heavy casualties. In terms of leadership and sound judgement on the battlefield, there were worse generals than... more
                        • "his troops liked him"B.J., Tue Jul 13 13:16
                          When you say Custer's "troops liked him" I assume you're referring to the troops whom were not dead or otherwise knocked out of action? and I assume you were not referring Custer's troops whom we... more
                          • The Michigan BrigadeDan Brown, Wed Jul 14 13:07
                            I was referring to the Wolverines. They knew the boy general who, despite his grades and demerits, had sound tactical judgement and who personally led him into battle. Custer was guilty of the afor... more
                            • The morale of the WolverinesDan Brown, Wed Jul 14 17:14
                              After the battles of the third day at Gettysburg the enlisted men of the Michigan Brigade took to wearing red scarves of of endearment for their commander and so that he would be so easily identified ... more
                    • Fame and GloryDan Brown, Sat Jul 10 13:09
                      Considering the hundreds of books on Custer and the Little Big Horn, the movies, the revisionist histories, and the millions of opinions, the irony is that he really had little effect, if any, on hist... more
                      • Lieutenant Colonel Custer .....B.J., Thu Jul 15 15:41
                        My very first history project per Custer in 1973 was not directly focused on the LBH. My project was researching why 11 years post op Civil War why Custer only had a permanent rank of Lieutenant Colon... more
                        • History is not staticDan Brown, Fri Jul 16 7:21
                          History is not governed by a specific course, it does not obey academic rules. It is an entity unto itself, independent from consensus, or fashion. The only historical moments people agree upon are pe... more
                          • Re: History is not staticB.J., Fri Jul 16 13:36
                            Evidence based research is the mechanism which defines history. It is not defined by one's opinion nor is it defined by philosophy. Yes Custer was correctly defined by Styles with the good and the ... more
                          • Let's Face ItGary Roberts, Fri Jul 16 11:10
                            One of my favorite analyses of Custer is the last chapter of Robert M. Utley's CAVALIER IN BUCKSKIN (1988). Utley, who has devoted more time to the plains Indian wars of the than probably any other h... more
                            • Re: Let's Face ItB.J., Fri Jul 16 14:18
                              All of the above appears to give a balanced view of Custer. However Custer's AWOL misconduct and later presidential suspension are the only variables which really matters. This was the summation o... more
        • I'm unsure as to what you meanDan Brown, Fri Jul 02 10:57
          Travilian Station has been called Custer's First Last Stand, but like the LBH, there are likely more assumptions made about the fight than facts. Grant wanted to make a withdraw from Cold Harbor. So ... more
    • Thanks GaryRoy B Young, Wed Jun 30 9:24
      Thanks, Gary, for your statement. It is easy to criticize Custer, but one must take into consideration his entire career, of which there is much to his credit. For those who might be interested,... more
      • Re: Thanks GaryB.J., Wed Jun 30 11:06
        Roy, what is your perspective of Benteen’s claim that Custer abandoned Elliot at the Washita? I would be interested in Gary’s perspective also since he has done some excellent research of this battle... more
        • BenteenGary Roberts, Fri Jul 02 13:25
          Benteen was a source of strife and division almost from the moment he joined the Seventh Cavalry. It is fair to say that his animosity toward Custer made him a most unreliable source on any matter re... more
          • Benteen told the storyDan Brown, Sat Jul 03 9:29
            that during a staff meeting of his officers, Custer complained of the cowardedly anonymous letter and wanted to know who wrote it. Benteen said that he excused himself, left the tent, checked to see t... more
        • BenteenRoy B Young, Wed Jun 30 11:24
          I have never thought Custer abandoned him. Chaos all around. I'm doing some studying on the aftermath, including Custer's return trip to Washita soon after the massacre/battle. What a grizzly site t... more
          • WashitaB.J., Wed Jun 30 13:50
            Thx Roy. Some of the documentation indicates Benteen’s reason for not coming to Custer’s aid was he thought Custer was chasing the Indians and glory up the river and abandoning the rest of the regi... more
            • RenoDan Brown, Thu Jul 01 6:38
              Reno gave conflicting orders on his hill. At one point he seemed willing to abandon the wounded. He was accused of being drunk. He ordered his soldiers to mount and then dismount. He was rattled. He ... more
              • Re: RenoB.J., Thu Jul 01 18:58
                Reno did not give conflicting orders “on his hill” Reno gave conflicting orders in the area of the Indian encampment.
                • Yes, in the timberDan Brown, Fri Jul 02 7:28
                  Here ia a description: " Reno's Arikara scout, Bloody Knife, was shot in the head, splattering brains and blood onto Reno's face.[62] The shaken Reno ordered his men to dismount and mount again.[62]... more
              • Custer, Benteen, RenoRoy B Young, Thu Jul 01 10:57
                BJ, I wish I was more knowledgeable on this topic, but I've concentrated more on other battles in the Indian Wars. I suggest you contact Jeff Broome, Jerome Green, or Michael Khoury.
                • Re: Custer, Benteen, RenoB.J., Sun Jul 04 23:02
                  Roy, I was not looking for information. Just interested in your overall perspective of Custer and his Indian wars. Since 1980 I have accumulated a lot of information about Custer and the battle a... more
  • Click here to receive daily updates