Tom Gaumer
Was Tom Armed? Keefe says probably not
Sat Jun 05, 3:08

KtK says the two guns are quite different and Keefe would know that. That is between him and you. Keefe's testimony is pretty clear. Ktk claims to know Keefe was lying via KtK speculation.

Matthews says he placed Franks gun on the floor where Keefe said he picked it up.

KtK claims, via speculation, Keefe did indeed find a S&W. KtK then ignores Keefes demonstrated inability to tell the difference in court. I stick with what Keefe actually said. and did. Keefe was later the Coroner in Tombstone so he knew some medicine.

I don't think it mattered about tampering with evidence. they were just guns and picking them up and examining them wouldn't matter.

I think Keefe did not find a third gun which he described as a S&W as his witnessing made pretty clear.

Keedfe's testimony about what he saw as one of the first to get to Tom is pretty clear and meant to be by Keefe.

Keefe had no reason to case the joint that i can imagine.

First Keefe said it was the gun he picked up in the house, then he said it wasn't. It seemed clear he didn't know.

Keith said neither was the one he picked up in the house after saying one of them was the gun and having to admit it was a Colt.

Keefe identified one of the two guns in the Coroners office was the one he had looked at in the house. then he did the same thing in court. then he admitted the one he identified as the S&W was actually a Colt. He had inconsistency problems.

If he was correct he couldn't have identified a S&W in the Coroners office and then a S&W in court and then have to admit he was wrong as they were both Colts.

He was only correct about those existing in evidence as Colts after he first identified one as a S&W twice. He has no value as a witness about guns.

He claimed in court that a Colt was a S&W after doing the same thing in the Coroners office a few minutes earlier. He then was forced to admit he didn't know one from another.

He did not examine a S&W at the scene as he also identified a Colt as that S&w twice afterwards and was wrong and proven wrong in court.

Keefe says he saw a S&W at the scene and in court and in the Coroners office. He was wrong all three times as he proved himself. Add the Coroner to the proof and Keefe goes down the drain.

KtK says Fellehy saw a gun in Tom's hand after he was down at the end of the block. Keefe says no. Keefe was an inch away. Fellehy a block. Keefe's view is better.

I have no conclusion about what Fellehy said as it was unclear. If there had been any real lawyers there Fellehy would have been questioned better to remove the doubt about what he was saying.

We all lose as no lawyers were in the courtroom. A pity or incompetence that helps keep the story going for us all??? LOL

    • Tom ... once more, the only incontrovertible factoid that I can offer is that a Colt looks nothing like a S&W ... no matter how often you examine it "If you believe Keefe found an additional gun h... more
      • Was Tom Armed? Keefe says probably not — Tom Gaumer, Sat Jun 05 3:08
        • Tom ... is this the same Turner that you consult? Turner, Second Printing 1992, English Language Version [not the Welsh version], page 132 Excuse my capitalisation ... "at request, he picks u... more
          • Gobs that he had seen and handled a S&W at the little house where Tom and Billy died. Keefe proved in court that did not happen. He was never pushed to identify any gun. He could say the gun I... more
            • Stern Facedgobs, Thu Jun 10 3:37
              Tom ... this can't even explained by a lack of syntactical knowledge and experience ... he was presented with two Colts, the only ones in evidence, and denied they were the S&W he examined ... couldn'... more
              • You are leaving out the whole of what Keefe saidTom Gaumer, Thu Jun 10 5:58
                gobs picking out what appeals to you. Keefe said the gun he identified from the little house (Smith and Wesson) was seen by him in the Coroners office over lunch. The Coroner then placed the tw... more
                • O Come, All Ye Faithfulgobs, Thu Jun 10 6:52
                  "At any time he could have said the gun I saw in the little house and identified as a S&W is not here. Instead he said it was there and was proven wrong twice." Tom, Tom, here we go again ... destr... more
                  • Everything Keefe said has been put upTom Gaumer, Thu Jun 10 23:32
                    Gobs You just don't want to believe it. Like Kenny you ignore the facts of Keefe's testimony because it clashes with your faith and speculations No argument or facts or testimony from the record ... more
                    • "I just want to get the facts, ma'am"gobs, Fri Jun 11 2:12
                      Tom ... it's only you who doesn't want to believe the facts ... ask around ... the tireless [and tiring] reiteration of your readings of the evidence completely ignores the facts, speculates on his te... more
      • The Other Onesgobs, Thu Jun 03 6:57
        Forgot the probable flaw, but the questioning seems purposely worded to confuse ... (Q) What kind of pistol is the other one? (A) The same as the other one, a Colt (Q) Have you seen the pistol y... more
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