The pertinence is in the eye of the beholder
The issue this is related to is was Tom armed.
Tue Jun 01, 23:30

Dan

and not the whole case pertinence.

The Coroner found only two pistols which he identified as belonging to Billy, retrieved by Fly, and Frank picked up on the street. Each was a 44.40 chambered Colt.

If you believe Keefe found an additional gun he described as a S&W that would imply but not prove it was Tom's and Tom was armed as a third gun was on the site.. The Coroner never had more than two Colts as he testified. Keefe identified one of them as the S&W in the Coroners Office and the Coroner then brought them to court and Keefe again identified one of them as the gun he spoke of in the little house where Tom was dying. Keefe was then asked to look at the gun he had just identified as a S&W and saw and admitted it was a Colt. Thus his statement of the existence of the S&W was false as it was in fact a Colt. Thus the third gun he had brought up did not exist as he confused a Colt at the scene as A S&W. Neither of the two Colts the Coroner had were S&W and both were Colts. Thus Keefe's statement about the existence of the third gun, a S&W, is destroyed as he claims to still see it in court but on closer examination admits it is a Colt. The Coroner said he put one of the Colts down where Keefe claimed to pick it up.

Keefe was a prosecution witness who said there was no sign of a gun around Tom's corpse or that general area. As Keefe was the first or one of the first to reach Tom this is a more credible story contradicting Fellehys words in the Coroners Hearing of seeing a gun in Tom's hand from a block away as Tom was dying.

The pertinence goes to making it more likely a second cowboy was unarmed, "making it a most unfair ffight" as reporter Clara Brown noted in her report to her readers from Tombstone in 1881.

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Tom

Thus Keefe ends up as one of the strongest witnesses that Tom was unarmed.


    • Just CuriousDan brown, Mon May 31 7:58
      Was the misidentification of brands pertinent to the outcome? Keefe stated that one brand, a Colt, was another brand, a S&W, proving that he didn't know the difference between the two pistols. That pr... more
      • The issue this is related to is was Tom armed. — The pertinence is in the eye of the beholder, Tue Jun 01 23:30
        • Tom ... once more, the only incontrovertible factoid that I can offer is that a Colt looks nothing like a S&W ... no matter how often you examine it "If you believe Keefe found an additional gun h... more
          • Was Tom Armed? Keefe says probably notTom Gaumer, Sat Jun 05 3:08
            Gobs KtK says the two guns are quite different and Keefe would know that. That is between him and you. Keefe's testimony is pretty clear. Ktk claims to know Keefe was lying via KtK speculation. ... more
            • Tom ... is this the same Turner that you consult? Turner, Second Printing 1992, English Language Version [not the Welsh version], page 132 Excuse my capitalisation ... "at request, he picks u... more
              • Gobs that he had seen and handled a S&W at the little house where Tom and Billy died. Keefe proved in court that did not happen. He was never pushed to identify any gun. He could say the gun I... more
                • Stern Facedgobs, Thu Jun 10 3:37
                  Tom ... this can't even explained by a lack of syntactical knowledge and experience ... he was presented with two Colts, the only ones in evidence, and denied they were the S&W he examined ... couldn'... more
                  • You are leaving out the whole of what Keefe saidTom Gaumer, Thu Jun 10 5:58
                    gobs picking out what appeals to you. Keefe said the gun he identified from the little house (Smith and Wesson) was seen by him in the Coroners office over lunch. The Coroner then placed the tw... more
                    • O Come, All Ye Faithfulgobs, Thu Jun 10 6:52
                      "At any time he could have said the gun I saw in the little house and identified as a S&W is not here. Instead he said it was there and was proven wrong twice." Tom, Tom, here we go again ... destr... more
                      • Everything Keefe said has been put upTom Gaumer, Thu Jun 10 23:32
                        Gobs You just don't want to believe it. Like Kenny you ignore the facts of Keefe's testimony because it clashes with your faith and speculations No argument or facts or testimony from the record ... more
                        • "I just want to get the facts, ma'am"gobs, Fri Jun 11 2:12
                          Tom ... it's only you who doesn't want to believe the facts ... ask around ... the tireless [and tiring] reiteration of your readings of the evidence completely ignores the facts, speculates on his te... more
          • The Other Onesgobs, Thu Jun 03 6:57
            Forgot the probable flaw, but the questioning seems purposely worded to confuse ... (Q) What kind of pistol is the other one? (A) The same as the other one, a Colt (Q) Have you seen the pistol y... more
    • Doubting Thomasgobs, Sat May 29 2:55
      Tom ... that's right, two hearings, I forget ... and a second autopsy ... I have no idea of Keefe or Fitch's mindset ... I just speculate [and it's maybe worth repeating] on the fact that any idiot, i... more
      • Re: Doubting ThomasBob Cash, Sun May 30 13:28
        Gobs, while you know I am of the opinion that it is most likely that Billy drew and fired several times before being wounded, I think it only fair to point out that most of the prosecution witnesses d... more
        • Re: Re: Doubting Thomasgobs, Sun May 30 15:09
          Bob ... thanks ... agreed ... I wasn't voicing any opinion on the wrist wound, just ironically questioning Keefe's viability as a "prosecution witness" based on Wikipedia's description, which proposes... more
          • continuous doubting Thomas?...Joyce Aros, Sun May 30 17:38
            Doesn't it seem odd that not one witness suggested Billy dropped his gun? And how is it he is described as struggling to get his gun out of the holster with his left hand? If he dropped the gun, how w... more
            • "Quotation marks are often used to indicate sarcasm or irony" Joyce ... apologies for the delay ... spent four hours on buses yesterday ... I'd promised to go to town on a Bank Holiday ... the road... more
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