Bob Cash
Re: But then...
Sat May 01, 16:49

I don't think Frank did try to get the rifle, or get on the horse, but as I've said about Tom, even if armed with a pistol (and with only five shots, according to your informd opinion) if you are up against 4 armed assailants you might want something with a little more fire power and more bullets.

Billy was described as standing and firing by Coleman, Hatch, and Lucas and as firing as as he slid to the ground by Fuller and Lucas. Only Claiborne claimed he did not draw or fire until he as on the ground.

    • But then...Joyce Aros, Sat May 01 11:15 has to ask the logical question; why would Frank be attempting to get the rifle out of the scabbard when he already had a gun in his hand? Distance would not be the need in this situation. I... more
      • Re: But then...Dan Brown, Thu May 06 8:24
        Eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable. How long was the gunfight? Approximately 30 seconds. Give or take. How long was Fuller's testimony? The individual testimonies were longer than the fight itse... more
      • Re: But then... — Bob Cash, Sat May 01 16:49
        • I cannot imagine either one...Joyce Aros, Sat May 01 19:06
          ...of the brothers wanting a rifle when the threat was so close. The convenience and the lighter weight of the handgun would be the safety factor if there was such a thing. Using up valuable energy to... more
          • Re: I cannot imagine either one...Dan Brown, Thu May 06 8:32
            The fly in the buttermilk is that you're suggesting that in the extreme heat of the moment the participants were thinking logically, and that, as bullets began flying, they would weigh the advantages ... more
            • I am thinking in the...Joyce Aros, Fri May 07 14:53
              ...extreme heat of the moment, they are not thinking at all; simply reacting instinctively to save themselves. There is probably no moment in which they gave anyone else a thought. Fear and shock can ... more
              • Well then , reverse logic...Dan Brown, Fri May 07 22:45
                There are many combat stories of people performing illogical or unlikely actions understress. I know of a police officer who entered a bank during a robbery, holding a shotgun, but when pressed into s... more
                • reverse logic...Joyce Aros, Sat May 08 6:17
         true. I think your policemen probably instinctively went for the pistol with his right hand, instinctevly,as it was likely on his right side and that was almost a natural reaction based on years... more
          • Re: I cannot imagine either one...Bob Cash, Thu May 06 7:41
            "If I can recall somewhat, Coleman described Billy as firing two or three shots from a crouching position, steadying the gun on his knee. That doesn't sound like standing." Joyce, you are right, yo... more
            • Coleman and me...Joyce Aros, Fri May 07 9:17
              ...Bob, I went back to Coleman in the Inquest to sharpen up my dimmer switch. I am still having trouble with him and his delivery. He described himself and Billy Allen as walking along Fremont to t... more
              • Re: Coleman and me...Bob Cash, Fri May 07 13:43
                Apparently you did not read to the end of my post the same way you did not read to the end of Coleman's testimony because you fail to respond to my quoting him as saying, "I DO NOT THINK THAT BILLY CL... more
                • Jerk Reactionsgobs, Sat May 08 2:42
                  Bob ... my usual excuse of not having my books to hand [and a short term memory], but did the autopsy note any wound to Billy's wrist? ... I've always presumed that Billy dropped his gun and went down... more
                • So are you relying on Coleman ....Joyce Aros, Fri May 07 14:36
         dispel all other testimony regarding the original shots fired into Billy's gun hand when he was standing with his hands up and out, shots fired by Morgan and then Virgil, according to Virgil? ... more
                  • So are you relying on Allen?Bob Cash, Fri May 07 17:09
                    Joyce, can you please quote directly "all the other testimony regarding the original shots fired into Billy's gun hand"? Also, please quote Virg's testimony where he mentions Morg shooting, as I don't... more
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