Bob Cash
Re: Faux Pas
Wed Apr 28, 7:15

Los Angeles Times article by Harry Carr, April 26, 1931:

"Much criticism has been spoken because two of the Clantons - Ike Clanton and Tom McLowery - were without arms in that fight. Mr. Clum relates that Wyatt Earp discussed this with him aftewards. He said that, as the two gangs advanced towards each other outside the corral, McLowery said, "I've got no gun on me." Whereat Wyatt Earp replied with a quietude not to be expected of a gentleman walking into a gunfight, "Well the fight's begun, get in it or get out of it." Ike got out of it. McLowery ran to his horse for a gun and was blown to shreds by 'Doc' Holliday's shot gun."

    • Faux Pasgobs, Wed Apr 28 2:38
      Bob ... finally found your post after searching under "Clum" ... interesting ... without plaguing this discussion with syntax or semantics, does the quote directed at Ike actually blend into the one a... more
      • Re: Faux Pas — Bob Cash, Wed Apr 28 7:15
        • Chinese Whispers & Exquisite Corpsesgobs, Wed Apr 28 8:19
          Bob ... thanks again ... could still be ambiguous, taking into consideration recent descriptions on here that seemed rife with misidentification of some of those involved ... but never Ike before ... ... more
    • You certainly know how to throw cold waterTom Gaumer, Sun Apr 25 12:33
      Bob On a great quote, now gone sour, from Wyatt Earp. But your scholarship about the matter and the two stories with similar or the same quotes is great. Keep Laughing Tom
      • Re: You certainly know how to throw cold waterBob Cash, Mon Apr 26 11:24
        Tom, I'm sorry I had to point out the differences in the two articles, apparently written by the same author a month apart. To me the fact that he mentions only Ike in one and Tom in the ater one cert... more
        • Bob was unarmed. That would have been great and with a reasonable or likely chance of being true. This new post undercuts that and moves it to"Who knows, maybe..." The fact you compared the two ... more
          • I don't know how anything Wyatt said could be determind to be close to the truth in terms of Tom's actions. In his testimony Wyatt said in thought Tom had a gun and fired it but wasn't sure, in the 18... more
            • Here is my personal pickTom Gaumer, Wed Apr 28 10:46
              Bob It is the same as yours. We are not going to know. A case can be made both ways and certainty is not to be had. However we can have a discussion of it which keeps us from doing more useful t... more
              • Re: Here is my personal pickBob Cash, Wed Apr 28 11:04
                I assume when you say "breaking in" you mean picking the lock or coercing the producer to hand over the keys. I'm pretty sure this would be an event that we wouldn't have to quibble over eyewitness te... more
        • Bob; cold water?...Joyce Aros, Mon Apr 26 13:51
          I am of a mind that Clum talks whoppers as big as the ones Wyatt usually does. Surely Harry Carr would not be so gullible as to believe that Burn's nonsense? Did Clum? After a gun went off and shot... more
          • Just wondering..Bob Cash, Mon Apr 26 15:37
            Are you saying that Frank and Tom were hit by the first two shots fired?
            • Aha! Bob...Joyce Aros, Mon Apr 26 16:42
              It doesn't matter at what point Tom or Frank got shot. Someone did and that horse is not going to stand there while Doc and Morgan shoot somebody and then Doc adds the buckshot and then Virgil and Mor... more
              • I may be a rascal, but I'm not pulling your leg.Bob Cash, Mon Apr 26 18:19
                If you look at any he of my posts on Tom, I think I have made it clear that I don't have any idea if Tom was armed, if he jumped behind the horse, or if he did try to take cover behind the horse wheth... more
                • Horses For Causesgobs, Tue Apr 27 2:21
                  Mr Cash ... I'm with you in that I have no place for conjecture ... we might as well all go home now ... but are you willing to accept Joyce's new [to me] supposition that Tom attempted to get the rif... more
                  • Re: Horses For CausesBob Cash, Tue Apr 27 7:12
                    Gobs, I don't think it was Joyce's supposition. I think what she was respondinding to was my description of William McLeod Raine's account in his 1927 article HELLDORADO in which he says that, already... more
                    • Profuse apologies from this 75 year old ...gobs, Tue Apr 27 10:00
                      but is Breakenridge now a reliable eyewitness? ... am I the only person who hasn't read this? ... cheers
                      • Re: Profuse apologies from this 75 year old ...Bob Cash, Tue Apr 27 11:12
                        Breakenridge was not in town on the day of the street fight, so I don't know where Raine got this story. Raine was in Arizona for a fair amount of time in the early 1900's so I suppose he got it then.... more
                        • Thanksgobs, Tue Apr 27 11:14
                          A fine synopsis ... again, take care
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