I am of a mind that Clum talks whoppers as big as the ones Wyatt usually does. Surely Harry Carr would not be so gullible as to believe that Burn's nonsense? Did Clum?
After a gun went off and shot Frank who staggered away with his horse and a shotgun went off hitting Tom, does anyone believe that Billy's cowpony would just stand there close to both of them while Tom, injured, staggering, and probably making some kind of unusual sounds tried to pull a rifle out of the scabbard? Which side of the horse might he be grabbing at, by the way? What makes anyone think that frightened horse, especially seeing Frank's horse leaving, wouldn't more than likely trample or drag Tom under such silly circumstances?
Burn's needed to wake up and smell the flowers...or horse manure!
Let's not forget that both horses left the area for the obvious reasons...
Tom, I'm sorry I had to point out the differences in the two articles, apparently written by the same author a month apart. To me the fact that he mentions only Ike in one and Tom in the ater one cert... more
was unarmed. That would have been great and with a reasonable or likely chance of being true.
This new post undercuts that and moves it to"Who knows, maybe..."
The fact you compared the two ... more
I don't know how anything Wyatt said could be determind to be close to the truth in terms of Tom's actions. In his testimony Wyatt said in thought Tom had a gun and fired it but wasn't sure, in the 18... more
It is the same as yours. We are not going to know. A case can be made both ways and certainty is not to be had.
However we can have a discussion of it which keeps us from doing more useful t... more
I assume when you say "breaking in" you mean picking the lock or coercing the producer to hand over the keys. I'm pretty sure this would be an event that we wouldn't have to quibble over eyewitness te... more
It doesn't matter at what point Tom or Frank got shot. Someone did and that horse is not going to stand there while Doc and Morgan shoot somebody and then Doc adds the buckshot and then Virgil and Mor... more
If you look at any he of my posts on Tom, I think I have made it clear that I don't have any idea if Tom was armed, if he jumped behind the horse, or if he did try to take cover behind the horse wheth... more
I am so used to being viewed as the old lady who doesn't know what she is talking about that I sometimes get a little silly.
And like everyone else, I am still trying to figure it out though I have... more
Apology excepted (not a missprlling). Re-reading my original post about Wyatt supposedly telling Clum that Tom was unarmed but ran to a horse to get a gun, I can see how you may have thought I believe... more
Mr Cash ... I'm with you in that I have no place for conjecture ... we might as well all go home now ... but are you willing to accept Joyce's new [to me] supposition that Tom attempted to get the rif... more
Gobs, I don't think it was Joyce's supposition. I think what she was respondinding to was my description of William McLeod Raine's account in his 1927 article HELLDORADO in which he says that, already... more
Breakenridge was not in town on the day of the street fight, so I don't know where Raine got this story. Raine was in Arizona for a fair amount of time in the early 1900's so I suppose he got it then.... more