K.t.K.
EXCELLENT work, Gobby
Thu Apr 22, 8:12

Were you trying to tell me that my Jeckyl & Hyde syndrome John King Fisher knew on which side his bread was buttered?

So, the death of E. J. Glover at his home on Oct. 6, 1874, is very suspicious. He was barely back from Wichita, age 33, and the cause of death listed as "heart disease" by the Galveston Daily News. I think it was a Sutton faction conspiracy. His brother J. W. Clover made it way past 80 years. Why wouldn't he have had youthful "heart disease"?

That $149.35 judgment against "M. Clements & Co." might explain why Clements didn't go back to Wichita in '75

Yes, I forgot to mention that the Clements group returned that evening armed. The Wichita Eagle, reflecting back from 1899: "E. B. Jewitt was the police judge that fined the Clement gang over a thousand dollars for their attempt to run the town, and convinced them that their experiments was a failure."

Who rang the triangle? Hopefully an African/American.

Gobs: "... and where were [at least one of] his more famous brothers that day?"

James was there, having multiple interests in such places as Pryor's saloon - but more importantly at Keno Hall, run by his army buddy "Whitey" Rupp. James Earp was never unarmed (ditto Morgan), and he did help in corralling and gathering shooting irons of Hurricane Bill Martin outfit. No doubt in capacity of the semi-secret "volunteer police force."

Virgil was presently at Council Bluffs, running an illegal dram shop in a side building to the vile and wicked "Planters House" - much more commonly called "The Brick." This house of ill fame was one of four in a Sixth Ward section near some railroad yards, railroad hotel, etc. His 'wife' Allie - a.k.a. Minnie - was an inmate there, having switched over from Omaha, at Madame Hester Baldwin's noted Cedar Rapids House, two-story sex resort on 12th Street.

Checking my Morg chronology file, he had already departed Wichita in spring 1874, having been recruited to Saint Louis to be bartender and muscle for the incredibly notorious Anderson's Dance Hall. Morg's first arrest in Saint Louis was in May 1874.

Perhaps I shouldn't have used the word "restructure" for JWH. But yes, it was after his release from prison (I read over it speedily) when Glover was trying to be of help to him.

    • A cup o' tea man, megobs, Thu Apr 22 2:58
      Me? ... I'm with the knucklehead ... would the rest of the force have been any help? ... their job was to keep the cattle traders alive ... I have no information on what Jewett said ... but, where was... more
      • EXCELLENT work, Gobby — K.t.K., Thu Apr 22 8:12
        • Legal entanglementsgobs, Thu Apr 22 11:34
          Herewith the following quotations in full: The First National Bank in Wichita filed suit against Rainey & Mannen as cosigners on November 24, 1874. A verdict was rendered against them on January 29... more
          • Re: Legal entanglementsK.t.K., Thu Apr 22 19:40
            Back to Sutton-Taylor. You had quoted from the Mannen Clements book by Robert W. Stevens: "Ed [Glover] was among those who signed the first peace treaty on August 12, 1873." Did the author give any ... more
            • Further Readinggobs, Fri Apr 23 2:08
              Just found THE book ... The Feud That Wasn't by James M. Smallwood ... in the index are a few pages including Glovers Dick, Edward "Ed", James "Jim", John W ... in which both Jim [in Hillsboro] and Ed... more
            • Peace treatiesgobs, Fri Apr 23 1:19
              Word was received by Hardin that Joe Tumlinson, an active Sutton supporter, had gathered a large force of men to attack the Taylor faction. Acting quickly he went with several others to the Tumlinson ... more
        • Re: EXCELLENT work, Gobbygobs, Thu Apr 22 9:30
          Thanks ... I knew you'd cough up some more information that only you could find ... there's a method to my madness ... if we print all this stuff out, we won't have to cling on to dear life in anticip... more
          • Re: Re: EXCELLENT work, GobbyK.t.K., Thu Apr 22 14:01
            I forgot how the McDonald place was discussed. Too many irons in the fire. Doc and Billy handshake was classic mind-game. I used to play several different type games against opponents as a saloon r... more
            • The McDonald Placegobs, Fri Apr 23 1:22
              It wasn't discussed ... THAT was my obscure point ... just stirring the pot
              • James Earp to the rescue??K.t.K., Fri Apr 23 4:22
                I might as well divulge my findings about Jimmy's propensity for "flourishing" a pistol to fit the occasion. There are four, but now I am wondering about a potential fifth at Wichita. Researcher Barth... more
                • James Earp to the rescue?gobs, Sun Apr 25 8:12
                  Ah, to research is divine ... to assimilate is an awful big ask ... does "unpaid" into "not" really go and which came first? The Jim Earp fine I can't really get my head around ... if the mob were ... more
                  • Yes, there were two big incidents in '74.K.t.K., Sun Apr 25 11:21
                    Wm. "Hurricane Bill" Martin and gang were dealt with in July by the triangle-squad of "secret police." Wyatt told Stuart Lake that Jim Earp was involved - at least in gathering up weapons. But yes, ... more
                  • More non-Tombstone triviagobs, Sun Apr 25 9:10
                    As you mentioned Parsons, I presumed you had his book on Sutton-Taylor ... anyroad, here goes ... Page 139 is a photograph that includes Ed Glover Pages 289-290 A list of those who signed the 1873... more
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