Gary Roberts
Re: Question
Thu Apr 22, 7:10

Kenny, I don't know the editor's particular reason, although he does seem to have a Unionist view of things. But on a broad scale, South Carolina was viewed by many as the most radical of the Confederate states. Some went so far as blaming South Carolina for the war because of the firing on Fort Sumter. John C. Calhoun, the South Carolina senator, although dead by the time of the war, was seen by many as the "father of secession." Sherman's destruction of South Carolina was seen by many as worse that his march through Georgia, and some contemporary accounts portray the destruction of South Carolina as revenge for South Carolina's role in starting the Civil War. In this broad context, the reference to Gonzales as "the South Carolina of Texas" may have been a way of saying that it was the most radically anti-Union county.

You and others here may be familiar with (or would find interesting) the story of Manse Jolly, a six-foot-four inch veteran of the Confederate army from Anderson, South Carolina. When Jolly, who had served as a scout and was skilled at evasion tactics, came home, he found that five of his brothers had been killed in the war and that a sixth brother had committed suicide after he saw the destruction of Anderson. Jolly launched a vendetta, swearing to kill five Union soldiers for each brother he had lost. Some accounts say that he surpassed that number. He was also affiliated with a group called "Jones Company," which consisted of other resistors to Reconstruction. It is safe to say that he wreaked havoc on Reconstruction forces and former slaves in the Anderson area. He became the subject of a major manhunt, and eventually, in 1867, he left South Carolina and took refuge among relatives from his mother's family, the Sherills, in Cameron, Texas. On July 8,1869, Jolly drowned while attempting to cross a stream at flood stage. He was buried at Little River Cemetery at Jones Prairie, in Milam County, Texas.

I was introduced to Manse Jolly by a former student if mine from Anderson, South Carolina. Jolly's guerilla tactics made him a terror until the forces after him grew larger and larger and a reward was placed on his head. There is a story that he himself attempted to claim the reward at a public gathering. The Sutton-Taylor feud had aspects not unlike Manse Jolly's season of chaos.

Please tell me you are not a "Gaumerite" in matters political. Best!

  • Researching my kinfolk in Gonzales County, where, in 1867-68 the rebel element was especially hostile towards the "Union League" there; i.e. Union Soldiers camps set up thereabouts. The leading rebel ... more
    • "Gonzales, the South Carolina of Texas"gobs, Tue Apr 20 6:56
      I believe a lot of SC KKK members moved there Any relation? https://www.odmp.org/officer/5509-sheriff-robert-m-glover https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorio_Cortez
      • Re: "Gonzales, the South Carolina of Texas"Bob Cash, Tue Apr 20 9:13
        Haven't had time to look into this, but I do remember being surprised when reading something correlating lynching during Reconstruction in Texas to the percentage of African Americans in the populatio... more
        • Exactly what I foundgobs, Tue Apr 20 9:23
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales ,_Texas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lynching_victims_in_the_United_States https://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/entries/gonzales-county
      • GOOD JOB, Gobby! I appreciate that.K.t.K., Tue Apr 20 8:07
        In the 1890s Robert M. Glover tried to be very helpful to John Wesley Hardin for restructuring his life.
        • Of Interestgobs, Tue Apr 20 9:19
          As I thought, he was too soft by half ... Sheffield working class blokes are always unassuming https://www.loudersound.com/features/joe-cocker-friends-dogs-drugs-booze-and-the-queen Didn't kno... more
          • Gawd, that was enjoyable.K.t.K., Tue Apr 20 10:26
            Several years ago was televised Joe's interview at Mad Dog Ranch. is humility disarmed me, and he was stone-cold sober. Wife Pam sat next to him. He turned to look at her and credited her with helping... more
            • 10 pintsgobs, Tue Apr 20 12:37
              Yes ... as I've said before, I used to see him around but never sober ... 10 pints a night and this was normal for many ... he always just wanted to be one of the lads ... Here's the drummer Kenny ... more
              • Oh, Yeah, Chris StaintonK.t.K., Tue Apr 20 14:26
                I can never get enough of his piano "lick" in "Feelin' Alright," which is my favorite song. I guess Joe always opted for a good drummer. In the modern times I fell in love with Jack Bruno. Of course I... more
              • 10 pintsgobs, Tue Apr 20 12:45
                Not the last two obviously ... first and third ... Tommy, who is also in the video died in 2001
                • 2 pint JackK.t.K., Tue Apr 20 14:56
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1LPYUg1hDY
                  • A cup o' tea man, me [dialect]gobs, Wed Apr 21 1:49
                    Kenny ... thanks for that ... one I found missen ...my memory is shot ... apart from the sixties ... I was about to say I'd never heard of him, but remembered my two Apple Pie Motherhood Band LPs ... ... more
                    • Re: A cup o' tea man, me [dialect]K.t.K., Wed Apr 21 9:04
                      The only mention of Ed. Glover I found through google was very brief - connected to much younger Robert M. Glover which you found - mentioned by Texas historian and author Chuck Parsons. E. J. Glov... more
                      • A cup o' tea man, megobs, Thu Apr 22 2:58
                        Me? ... I'm with the knucklehead ... would the rest of the force have been any help? ... their job was to keep the cattle traders alive ... I have no information on what Jewett said ... but, where was... more
                        • EXCELLENT work, GobbyK.t.K., Thu Apr 22 8:12
                          Were you trying to tell me that my Jeckyl & Hyde syndrome John King Fisher knew on which side his bread was buttered? So, the death of E. J. Glover at his home on Oct. 6, 1874, is very suspicious. ... more
                          • Legal entanglementsgobs, Thu Apr 22 11:34
                            Herewith the following quotations in full: The First National Bank in Wichita filed suit against Rainey & Mannen as cosigners on November 24, 1874. A verdict was rendered against them on January 29... more
                            • Re: Legal entanglementsK.t.K., Thu Apr 22 19:40
                              Back to Sutton-Taylor. You had quoted from the Mannen Clements book by Robert W. Stevens: "Ed [Glover] was among those who signed the first peace treaty on August 12, 1873." Did the author give any ... more
                              • Further Readinggobs, Fri Apr 23 2:08
                                Just found THE book ... The Feud That Wasn't by James M. Smallwood ... in the index are a few pages including Glovers Dick, Edward "Ed", James "Jim", John W ... in which both Jim [in Hillsboro] and Ed... more
                              • Peace treatiesgobs, Fri Apr 23 1:19
                                Word was received by Hardin that Joe Tumlinson, an active Sutton supporter, had gathered a large force of men to attack the Taylor faction. Acting quickly he went with several others to the Tumlinson ... more
                          • Re: EXCELLENT work, Gobbygobs, Thu Apr 22 9:30
                            Thanks ... I knew you'd cough up some more information that only you could find ... there's a method to my madness ... if we print all this stuff out, we won't have to cling on to dear life in anticip... more
                            • Re: Re: EXCELLENT work, GobbyK.t.K., Thu Apr 22 14:01
                              I forgot how the McDonald place was discussed. Too many irons in the fire. Doc and Billy handshake was classic mind-game. I used to play several different type games against opponents as a saloon r... more
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