A cup o' tea man, me
Thu Apr 22, 2:58

Me? ... I'm with the knucklehead ... would the rest of the force have been any help? ... their job was to keep the cattle traders alive ... I have no information on what Jewett said ... but, where was his triangle? ... and what happened that Mannen's turning up changed Wyatt's attitude? ... was it high noon? ... a surprise attack? ... or were they armed this time? ... was Sam Jones grandmother the reliable source that he roughly recounted her story forty odd years later? ... the armed/unarmed parties could be a given but did she happen to be on the sidewalk when the kerfuffle happened and also a witness to the sneaky inhabitation of Bessie's trunk? ... so Jimmy Cairns lied about the people backing he and Wyatt when they arrived at the bridge ... or are these separate incidents? ... and where were [at least one of] his more famous brothers that day? ...

I've always seen him as taking some of the blame, not the credit ... certainly at the inquest ... I think he only shot at a horse

Being British, we sided with the "injuns", known hereafter as losers, as they had the coolest haircuts ... to us, Texans were racist thugs, who were so cavalier (we also preferred Roundheads) that they didn't even care to carve indigenous, hispanic or freedmen notches on their two well used guns ... Earp was the nearest to an unarmed British bobby ... simple as that ... no flash, which I know you prefer ... you had a penchant for such as the flamboyant two-gun Jeckyl-Hyde-King-Fisher, but I pointed out to you that killing unarmed Mexicans was one thing, but when the Rangers turned up he suddenly transformed into the the meekest of the mild ...

So, I, myself, wouldn't take any pride based on Texas biased literature and avoid all jests about playful behaviour on the drovers part ...

Roger Jay: By the spring of 1874, the sight of Texas drovers milling about on Main Street, even a throng of them armed in defiance of local ordinance, was familiar to the residents of Wichita, Kansas. For the past two years, the town had fattened on the cattle trade ... the cowboys and their critters were a means of survival, and to almost every citizen, the more of them on the streets, the better.

Remember Charles Sanders [and at least two other black people in the same few weeks]?

"A hothead named Shorty Ramsey, stepped up to Sanders, brought his sidearm to bear in deadly earnest and drilled the unfortunate workman twice — first in the ear and then three inches below the nipple of the left breast — inflicting wounds that would soon prove fatal. The Wichita Eagle of May 28, described the ensuing commotion: "Simultaneously with the shooting a dozen revolvers were pulled by bystanding Texans, and Ramsey mounted his horse and fled down Main Street out Douglas Avenue and across the bridge, followed by two or three hundred men, many of whom had revolvers in hand, but whether for protection of the fleeing fugitive or his capture seemed doubtful to us until we were told it was for the protection of the shooting party. The city marshal was standing close by, but seeing it was a preconcerted job, evidently, and being threatened with drawn weapons, Smith could do nothing."

What was the restructuring of Hardin?
While in prison?
I know becoming a lawyer was ridiculously easy in those days
Wouldn't restructuring of his neck be the only permanent solution?

Managed to find a copy of the privately printed, signed and numbered 52/250 book on Mannen Clements by Robert W. Stephens ... I have a similar book on Walter Durbin somewheres ... stop me if you've heard this afore ... saves all this typing ...

Edward J. Glover and his brother John William Glover, both natives of Mississippi, were from a large family that was in Gonzales County as early as 1850. One of their brothers, Richard M. Glover, was Sheriff of Gonzales County from 1890 until 1894 and from 1896 until he was killed July, 14 1901.
The cause of Ed's early death is not known. he enlisted in the Cavalry Battalion of Waul's Legion in Gonzales in 1862 and after the war was an active participant in the feud. He was among those who signed the first peace treaty on August 12, 1873. John served in Captain William Kelley's cavalry company of the Texas State Troops and indicated that he enlisted in October of 1864 and served until May of 1865. He apparently enjoyed a favorable reputation since on June 7, 1927, County Judge D. V. Ramsey wrote on his behalf that "He is a deserving and honorable old gentleman". The pension was denied because State Troops were not a part of regular Confederate services.

There's also mention of legal entanglements in July 7 and September 10, 1874 for Clements and Rainey cosigning a two hundred dollar note for Ed at the First National Bank in Wichita ... his death and insolvency soon after made them personally liable and the later one involving both sets of brothers for one hundred forty-nine dollars and thirty-five cents.

Will keep searching ... bests

    • Re: A cup o' tea man, me [dialect]K.t.K., Wed Apr 21 9:04
      The only mention of Ed. Glover I found through google was very brief - connected to much younger Robert M. Glover which you found - mentioned by Texas historian and author Chuck Parsons. E. J. Glov... more
      • A cup o' tea man, me — gobs, Thu Apr 22 2:58
        • EXCELLENT work, GobbyK.t.K., Thu Apr 22 8:12
          Were you trying to tell me that my Jeckyl & Hyde syndrome John King Fisher knew on which side his bread was buttered? So, the death of E. J. Glover at his home on Oct. 6, 1874, is very suspicious. ... more
          • Legal entanglementsgobs, Thu Apr 22 11:34
            Herewith the following quotations in full: The First National Bank in Wichita filed suit against Rainey & Mannen as cosigners on November 24, 1874. A verdict was rendered against them on January 29... more
            • Re: Legal entanglementsK.t.K., Thu Apr 22 19:40
              Back to Sutton-Taylor. You had quoted from the Mannen Clements book by Robert W. Stevens: "Ed [Glover] was among those who signed the first peace treaty on August 12, 1873." Did the author give any ... more
              • Further Readinggobs, Fri Apr 23 2:08
                Just found THE book ... The Feud That Wasn't by James M. Smallwood ... in the index are a few pages including Glovers Dick, Edward "Ed", James "Jim", John W ... in which both Jim [in Hillsboro] and Ed... more
              • Peace treatiesgobs, Fri Apr 23 1:19
                Word was received by Hardin that Joe Tumlinson, an active Sutton supporter, had gathered a large force of men to attack the Taylor faction. Acting quickly he went with several others to the Tumlinson ... more
          • Re: EXCELLENT work, Gobbygobs, Thu Apr 22 9:30
            Thanks ... I knew you'd cough up some more information that only you could find ... there's a method to my madness ... if we print all this stuff out, we won't have to cling on to dear life in anticip... more
            • Re: Re: EXCELLENT work, GobbyK.t.K., Thu Apr 22 14:01
              I forgot how the McDonald place was discussed. Too many irons in the fire. Doc and Billy handshake was classic mind-game. I used to play several different type games against opponents as a saloon r... more
              • The McDonald Placegobs, Fri Apr 23 1:22
                It wasn't discussed ... THAT was my obscure point ... just stirring the pot
                • James Earp to the rescue??K.t.K., Fri Apr 23 4:22
                  I might as well divulge my findings about Jimmy's propensity for "flourishing" a pistol to fit the occasion. There are four, but now I am wondering about a potential fifth at Wichita. Researcher Barth... more
                  • James Earp to the rescue?gobs, Sun Apr 25 8:12
                    Ah, to research is divine ... to assimilate is an awful big ask ... does "unpaid" into "not" really go and which came first? The Jim Earp fine I can't really get my head around ... if the mob were ... more
                    • Yes, there were two big incidents in '74.K.t.K., Sun Apr 25 11:21
                      Wm. "Hurricane Bill" Martin and gang were dealt with in July by the triangle-squad of "secret police." Wyatt told Stuart Lake that Jim Earp was involved - at least in gathering up weapons. But yes, ... more
                    • More non-Tombstone triviagobs, Sun Apr 25 9:10
                      As you mentioned Parsons, I presumed you had his book on Sutton-Taylor ... anyroad, here goes ... Page 139 is a photograph that includes Ed Glover Pages 289-290 A list of those who signed the 1873... more
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